paralyzed after flu shot

Citizen Jimserac wrote:
> On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j....RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>>
>> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks The neurologist
>> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
>> attacks the nervous system. He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
>> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
>> eat for himself. "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
>> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
>> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
>> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
>> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
>> problems. Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
>> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
>> future.
>
> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
> President Franklin Delano
> Roosevelt.
>
> Citizen Jimserac

Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he
had GBS rather than polio.

Jeff

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>> President Franklin Delano
>> Roosevelt.
>>
>> Citizen Jimserac
>
> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he had
> GBS rather than polio.
>
> Jeff

GBS, polio--same thing--disease from poisons, usually vaccines

On Oct 24, 7:53 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >  http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>
> > [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks  The neurologist
> > diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
> > attacks the nervous system.  He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
> > hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
> > eat for himself.  "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
> > I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
> > shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
> > known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
> > year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
> > problems.  Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
> > a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
> > future.
>
> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
> President Franklin Delano
> Roosevelt.

Over seventy years ago. Now, with much more sophisticated testing
ability, it will not happen.

You have my permission to stop living in the past.

On Oct 24, 9:00 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Citizen Jimserac wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> >>  http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>
> >> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks  The neurologist
> >> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
> >> attacks the nervous system.  He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
> >> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
> >> eat for himself.  "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
> >> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
> >> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
> >> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
> >> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
> >> problems.  Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
> >> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
> >> future.
>
> > Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
> > President Franklin Delano
> > Roosevelt.
>
> > Citizen Jimserac
>
> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he
> had GBS rather than polio.
>
> Jeff-

I sent an email to a well known neurologist-blogger about this, and he
said thart he tended to agree. He is researching this, and will write
a blog article about it in the future. He will use facts.

JOHN wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>>> President Franklin Delano
>>> Roosevelt.
>>>
>>> Citizen Jimserac
>> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he had
>> GBS rather than polio.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> GBS, polio--same thing--disease from poisons, usually vaccines

That shows your ignorance. GBS and polio are different things. One is an
autoimmune disorder (GBS) and the other is a viral infection.

Jeff

On Oct 24, 9:00 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> CitizenJimseracwrote:
> > On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> >>  http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>
> >> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks  The neurologist
> >> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
> >> attacks the nervous system.  He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
> >> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
> >> eat for himself.  "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
> >> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
> >> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
> >> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
> >> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
> >> problems.  Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
> >> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
> >> future.
>
> > Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
> > President Franklin Delano
> > Roosevelt.
>
> > CitizenJimserac
>
> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he
> had GBS rather than polio.
>
> Jeff

Agreed, no certainty there but I had a link which I posted a while
back
where a team of experts reviewed the historical data and concluded
that it was more likely Roosevelt had GBS.

What made this political is that Roosevelt, being a great president
in time of national crisis, became famous for herorically struglling
against polio so there is resistance now to the admission that it was
probably not polio.

Citizen Jimserac

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>>>> President Franklin Delano
>>>> Roosevelt.
>>>>
>>>> Citizen Jimserac
>>> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he
>>> had GBS rather than polio.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> GBS, polio--same thing--disease from poisons, usually vaccines
>
> That shows your ignorance. GBS and polio are different things. One is an
> autoimmune disorder (GBS) and the other is a viral infection.
>
> Jeff

That shows your ignorance http://whale.to/vaccines/polio1.html

JOHN wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4903567C.8030301@hotmail.com...
>> JOHN wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>>>>> President Franklin Delano
>>>>> Roosevelt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Citizen Jimserac
>>>> Actually, we don't know what Roosevelt, although it is more likely he
>>>> had GBS rather than polio.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> GBS, polio--same thing--disease from poisons, usually vaccines
>> That shows your ignorance. GBS and polio are different things. One is an
>> autoimmune disorder (GBS) and the other is a viral infection.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> That shows your ignorance http://whale.to/vaccines/polio1.html

ROTFL!

It is well known that polio is a particular disease caused by particular
virii. The website you suggested is consistant with this. The people who
had polio after getting the vaccine got the polio because the vaccine is
a live-virus vaccine. Unfortunately, so people do very rarely get polio
after taking the oral vaccine, which is why it is not given in the US
anymore (except in rare circumstances).

When you get a clue, let us know.

Have a lovely weekend!

Jeff

Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>>  http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>>
>> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks  The neurologist
>> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
>> attacks the nervous system.  He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
>> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
>> eat for himself.  "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
>> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
>> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
>> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
>> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
>> problems.  Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
>> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
>> future.
>
>Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>President Franklin Delano
>Roosevelt.
>
>Citizen Jimserac

Back to that piece of nonsense, I see. I know that recycling garbage
is in vogue but you make it an art form.

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Peter Bowditch wrote:
> Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>>>
>>> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks The neurologist
>>> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
>>> attacks the nervous system. He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
>>> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
>>> eat for himself. "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
>>> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
>>> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
>>> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
>>> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
>>> problems. Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
>>> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
>>> future.
>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>> President Franklin Delano
>> Roosevelt.
>>
>> Citizen Jimserac
>
> Back to that piece of nonsense, I see. I know that recycling garbage
> is in vogue but you make it an art form.

What piece of nonsense? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14562158

Jeff

Jeff <kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Bowditch wrote:
>> Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 24, 4:17 am, "JOHN" <j....RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/10/22/bc-fku-shot-paralysis.html
>>>>
>>>> [2008 Oct] B.C. man paralyzed after flu shot warns of risks The neurologist
>>>> diagnosed Ryan with Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease that
>>>> attacks the nervous system. He spent the next 10 weeks recovering in
>>>> hospital, including three weeks in intensive care, barely able to breathe or
>>>> eat for himself. "My face was paralyzed. I had no feeling inside my mouth.
>>>> I couldn't feel my tongue. My left eye wouldn't close so it had to be taped
>>>> shut to sleep," he said. The illness progressed into a lifelong condition
>>>> known as chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP), and a
>>>> year later he remains heavily medicated, unable to work, and has memory
>>>> problems. Although the disease is in remission, he is not expected to make
>>>> a full recovery, and the chronic condition could return at any point in the
>>>> future.
>>> Guillain-Barre' is often misdiagnosed as polio, as was the case with
>>> President Franklin Delano
>>> Roosevelt.
>>>
>>> Citizen Jimserac
>>
>> Back to that piece of nonsense, I see. I know that recycling garbage
>> is in vogue but you make it an art form.
>
>What piece of nonsense? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14562158
>
>Jeff

CJ was using it to attack the polio vaccination campaign. Apparently,
if FDR didn't have polio then the polio scare was a furphy, the March
of Dimes was a fraud and polio vaccination wasn't ever necessary.
Remember that CJ is a fully paid-up anti-vaccination liar.

That was the same reference that he cited. Note that it appears in a
journal of biography, which is not necessarily the same as science.

--
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Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> It is well known that polio is a particular disease caused by particular
> virii. The website you suggested is consistant with this. The people who
> had polio after getting the vaccine got the polio because the vaccine is a
> live-virus vaccine. Unfortunately, so people do very rarely get polio
> after taking the oral vaccine, which is why it is not given in the US
> anymore (except in rare circumstances).
>
> When you get a clue, let us know.
>
> Have a lovely weekend!
>
> Jeff

OK smartass, how do you get it from DPT vaccine?
http://whale.to/vaccines/polio6.html
Dr Geffen reported similar findings from the London borough of St Pancras,
where 30 children under the age of 5 developed polio within four weeks of
being immunised against diphtheria or whooping cough or both, the paralysis
affecting, in particular, the limb of injection. Two medical statisticians
at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine examined these reports
and concluded that:

"Geffen (1950) noted in the 1949 epidemic 30 out of 182 paralytic patients
under 5 had been immunised against diptheria, pertussis, or both within
weeks of contracting polio. In all of these cases the limb last injected
was paralysed; in another seven cases a different limb was affected. In 21
of the 30 cases combined diptheria and pertussis vaccine had been used, APT
in eight, and pertussis alone in one. Geffen calculated that the
proportion of children becoming paralysed after immunisation was of the
order of 1 in 1800. The interval between injection and the developement of
polio was usually between 5 and 16 days (Geffen, Paterson and Tracy
1953)."--Wilson, The Hazards of Immunisation

Dr Arthur Gale of the Ministry of Health reported 65 cases from the
Midlands, where paralysis followed about two weeks after an injection: in 49
of these, paralysis occurred in the injected limb. Then it was reported that
of 112 cases of paralysis admitted to the Park Hospital, London, during
1947-1949, 14 were paralysed in the limb which had received one or more of a
course of immunising injections within the previous two months. In the
majority of cases, the interval between the last injection and the onset of
paralysis was between 9 and 14 days. Again, combined whooping cough,
diphtheria and tetanus injections were involved.



When you get a clue, let us know.

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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Agreed, no certainty there but I had a link which I posted a while
back
where a team of experts reviewed the historical data and concluded
that it was more likely Roosevelt had GBS.

What made this political is that Roosevelt, being a great president
in time of national crisis, became famous for herorically struglling
against polio so there is resistance now to the admission that it was
probably not polio.

Citizen Jimserac

That figures, polio is just a poison disease similar to GBS
http://whale.to/vaccines/gbs.htm, but you can't flog a polio vaccine off GBS