Study links vaccine to autism

Jan Drew wrote:
>
> "Raving" Loonie is still loonie.
> Sad that.

Jan Drew is an old bag who spawned autism in her family,
ineffectively blames it on phantom mercury in a vaccine,
and obsesses with Mark Probert on usenet.

Sad that.

Raving wrote:
> On Jul 26, 12:37 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Raving" Loonie is still loonie.
>> Sad that.
>
> LOL ...
>
> That is exactly the sort of thing that my wife would say!
>
> ... I am still married, btw. Sorry.

Jan Drew's husband left her.

Jan Drew wrote:

> No name calling just the facts, Putz.

Pity you've posted no facts, Putz.

The study you posted is suspect.

You spawned autism in your own family with bad genes.

Jeff wrote:

> You should also note the Grier study that *Jan* was talking about was a
> *low-quality study with questionable methods*. The conclusion that the
> incidence of autism fell after the elimination of ethylmercury from
> vaccines has been shown to be false. So Jan talked about a study that
> has been *discredited*.
>
> She does, however, show that to win her argument, one has to use poor-
> quality, discredited studies and make numerous personal attacks. And
> still, she has shown nothing.

Jan Drew is just an empty barrel, making a lot of senseless noise.

Her credibility is Z E R O.

Jan Drew
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.135
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On Jul 26, 6:44 am, Grassy Noll <n....TakeThisOut@dallas.org> wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
>
> > "Raving" Loonie is still loonie.
> > Sad that.
>
> Jan Drew is an old bag who spawned autism in her family,
> ineffectively blames it on phantom mercury in a vaccine,
> and obsesses with Mark Probert on usenet.
>
> Sad that.

autism. Oh ... interesting.

Confusing <--->

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote:

> I had NO idea....

Exactly. You are a know-nothing sociopath.

You impersonated a "Dr. Richard X. Frager" and altered a Washington Post
article. Your ISP booted you as a result.

You'll never live that down.

So quit posting your propaganda now.

No one here believes you anymore.

On Jul 26, 11:18 am, Grassy Noll <n....TakeThisOut@dallas.org> wrote:
> Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote:
>
> > I had NO idea....
>
> Exactly.

Oh, it's Proby's alter-ego! Proby's track record now includes - as it
has in the past - phony posts. That's another one of Proby's "dirty
tricks." Will he ever learn, most likely not, the pathological liar
cannot differentiate between truth and lies. To him, that is Proby,
lies ARE truth. Throw in the classic role reversal, accusing others of
what he takes part of: such as ignoring his partner who really was
impersonating a doctor, harassing women such as Jan, Ilena and Linda;
and Proby's use of phony posts, what you have here is basically a real
crack-pot who needs to be committed to the psychiatric unit of a
hospital. How low will Proby get, that is anybodies guess, but he
reaches new lows every day!

"Jeff" <jeff.utz RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8038b56e-a8ed-42dc-ad8b-9d20d4c91a30@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 12:25 am, Linda <Indomitab... RemoveThis @netzero.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 3:24 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/2/213632.shtml
>
> > A newstudyshows thatautismmay be linked after all
> > to the use of mercury in childhood vaccines, despite
> > government's previous claims to the contrary.
>
> > An article in the March 10, 2006, issue of the Journal
> > of American Physicians and Surgeons shows that since
> > mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the
> > alarming increase in reported rates ofautismand
> > other neurological disorders (NDs) in children not
> > only stopped, but actually dropped sharply - by as
> > much as 35 percent.
>
> > Using the government's own databases, independent
> > researchers analyzed reports of childhood NDs,
> > includingautism, before and after removal of
> > mercury-based preservatives. Authors David A. Geier,
> > B.A. and Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D. analyze data from
> > the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
> > (VAERS) and the California Department of Developmental
> > Services (CDDS) in "Early Downward Trends in
> > Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal of
> > Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines."
>
> > The numbers from California show that reportedautism
> > rates hit a high of 800 in May 2003. If that trend had
> > continued, the reports would have skyrocketed to more
> > than 1000 by the beginning of 2006. But in fact, the
> > Geiers report that the number actually went down to
> > only 620, a real decrease of 22 percent, and a
> > decrease from the projections of 35 percent.
>
> > This analysis directly contradicts 2004
> > recommendations of the Institute of Medicine which
> > examined vaccine safety data from the National
> > Immunization Program (NIP) of the CDC. While not
> > willing to either rule out or to corroborate a
> > relationship between mercury andautism, the IOM
> > soft-pedaled its findings, and decided no more studies
> > were needed. The authors write: "The IOM stated that
> > the evidence favored rejection of a causal
> > relationship between thimerosal andautism, that such
> > a relationship was not biologically plausible, and
> > that no further studies should be conducted to
> > evaluate it."
>
> > As more and more vaccines were added to the mandatory
> > schedule of vaccines for children, the dose of the
> > mercury-based preservative thimerosal rose, so that
> > the cumulative dose injected into babies exceeded the
> > toxic threshold set by many government agencies.
> > Mercury is known to damage nerve cells in very low
> > concentrations.
>
> > The concern about vaccines may actually be underrated,
> > as it is generally acknowledged that the voluntary
> > reporting of such disorders has resulted in vast
> > underreporting of new cases. For example, the Iowa
> > state legislature banned thimerosal from all vaccines
> > administered there after it documented a 700-fold
> > increase in that state alone. California followed
> > suit, and 32 states are considering doing so.
>
> > Up until about 1989 preschool children got only 3
> > vaccines (polio, DPT, MMR). By 1999 the CDC
> > recommended a total of 22 vaccines to be given before
> > children reach the 1st grade, including Hepatitis B,
> > which is given to newborns within the first 24 hours
> > of birth. Many of these vaccines contained mercury. In
> > the 1990s approximately 40 million children were
> > injected with mercury-containing vaccines.
>
> > The cumulative amount of mercury being given to
> > children in this number of vaccines would be an amount
> > 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.
>
> > The Geiers conclude that mercury continues to be a
> > concern, as it is still added to some of the most
> > commonly-used vaccines, such as those for flu.
>
> > Despite its removal from many childhood vaccines, thimerosal is still
> > routinely added to some formulations of influenza vaccine administered
> > to
> > U.S. infants, as well as to several other vaccines (e.g.
> > tetanus-diphtheria
> > and monovalent tetanus) administered to older children and adults. In
> > 2004,
> > the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences
> > (NAS) retreated from the stated 1999 goal of the AAP and the PHS to
> > remove
> > thimerosal from U.S. vaccines as soon as possible.As a result, assessing
> > the
> > safety of TCVs [thimerosal-containing vaccines] is a matter of
> > significant
> > importance."
> > Editor's Note: The newstudyconfirms claims made by Dr. Russell Blaylock
> > in
> > the Blaylock Wellness Report that childhood vaccines that contain
> > thimerosal, a mercury based preservative, could cause serious harm to
> > children, includingautism. Dr. Blaylock has also warned that vaccines
> > for
> > adults, such as the flu shot, pose dangers.
>
> Thanks so much for reminding americans that the parasitic pathocrats
> at the US Justice Department have done nothing to hold the lying,
> theiving, debilitating murdering members of the US health care
> industry accountable for the heinous crimes against defenseless
> babies.

Reallly?

Vaccines save thousands of lives a day! Without vaccines we would
still have polio and smallpox in the US. In addition, there are no
more cases of measles originating in the US, Hib meningitis incidence
is way down, rubella-related birth defects are close to zero, and
other diseases have been pretty much eliminated from the US. The same
thing is happening outside the US.

You should also note the Grier study that Jan was talking about was a
low-quality study with questionable methods. The conclusion that the
incidence of autism fell after the elimination of ethylmercury from
vaccines has been shown to be false. So Jan talked about a study that
has been discredited.

She does, however, show that to win her argument, one has to use poor-
quality, discredited studies and make numerous personal attacks. And
still, she has shown nothing.

Have a lovely day.

JEff

*nIce personal attack*.

On Jul 27, 1:24 am, Grassy Noll <n....RemoveThis@dallas.org> wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
> >> "Jeff" <jeff.....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:8038b56e-a8ed-42dc-ad8b-9d20d4c91a30@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> The conclusion that the incidence of autism fell after the
> >> elimination of ethylmercury from vaccines has been shown to be
> >> false.
> > *nice personal attack*
>
> Jan Drew can't handle the truth.

Funny, she doesn't hide behind a made up name, like you do: Proby's
alter-ego, but she doesn't have to. My own research laboratory has
found her work to exemplary and totally accurate. But then again, she
posts her results in a professional scientific manner, which makes the
pro-med side very unhappy. The pro-med side just can't handle the
truth.

Jan Drew wrote:
> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

Mike Schrimshaw <micha... DeleteThis @sun.aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)wrote:

We terminated Jerry Kolnick's account because he signed up for service
with Aracnet under an assumed name (that was not a legal alias) while he
maintained that his name was Dr. Richard X. Frager, he would not show us
an Oregon drivers license, nor would he show us proof of being a license
medical doctor. Since he *falsified* information on his account
application, we terminated his service.


Kyle Robinson <greyw... DeleteThis @aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)wrote:

Jerry Kolnick was shut off because he was claiming to be a doctor. When
aproached about it, he couldn't produce a medical license or doctorial
certificate to prove he was who he said he was. Here in the
state of Oregon, practicing medicine without a license is a big no-no. A
legitimate doctor shouldn't have had a problem getting us proof, which
this person couldn't do.

The onus of proof was on him, since he was in question. He couldn't
prove that he was a doctor, yet he was posting and giving medical advise
as one. When questioned, he tried to deny it, but we had the logs and
headers of his posts. We don't want that on our system. We refused him
further service, and last I saw, he's got an account on another provider
and could again be saying he's a doctor.

Felix Martin <fe... DeleteThis @aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)wrote:

It is a felony in the State of Oregon to represent yourself as a Doctor,
an Engineer or a Lawyer. It is in our system agreement that aracnet will
be only used for lawful purposes. We do not want to be liable or part of
any deception. As far as I know there are several people in this State
gathering information for a possible indictment against this person. I
cannot comment further. This user lied in his application and that by
itself is grounds enough for termination. He had his opportunity to
present verifiable information. FYI he has been kicked off from other
systems.

Jan Drew wrote:

>> "Jeff" <jeff.utz DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8038b56e-a8ed-42dc-ad8b-9d20d4c91a30@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> The conclusion that the incidence of autism fell after the
>> elimination of ethylmercury from vaccines has been shown to be
>> false.


> *nice personal attack*


Jan Drew can't handle the truth.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote:
> On Jul 27, 1:24 am, Grassy Noll <n....RemoveThis@dallas.org> wrote:
>> Jan Drew wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" <jeff.....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:8038b56e-a8ed-42dc-ad8b-9d20d4c91a30@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> The conclusion that the incidence of autism fell after the
>>>> elimination of ethylmercury from vaccines has been shown to be
>>>> false.
>>> *nice personal attack*
>> Jan Drew can't handle the truth.
>
> Funny, she doesn't hide behind a made up name

Like you do, Jerry?

*Jerry Kolnick* has a fairly long history on Usenet, going back
approximately to 1995.

This is how Jerry Kolnick does things. He copies and pastes huge volumes
of other people's words. He usually has nothing of his own to say,
though frequently he does repost other people's material without
attribution. I believe that the word for this is "plagiarism."

Jerry Kolnick has lost numerous ISP accounts for this sort of behavior,
and has been the recipient of legal spanking. The Washington Post
spanked severely him in 1996 for disseminating a redacted version of a
copyrighted Washington Post story via Usenet, crudely edited in such a
manner as to imply the reporter supported his kooky cause of the day.
That post is still in the Google archives for the whole world to see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4lf2vh%24caq%40nadine.teleport.com

The State of Oregon spanked him resoundingly in 1997 for falsely
claiming to be "Dr. Richard X. Frager, MD" and giving out rather dubious
and in fact dangerously stupid medical advice in
alt.support.attention-deficit.

Jerry Kolnick gets attention. The newsgroup alt.usenet.kooks gave him
the Looney Maroon Award for January 1998.

On Jul 26, 11:08 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Jeff" <jeff.... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8038b56e-a8ed-42dc-ad8b-9d20d4c91a30@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 26, 12:25 am, Linda <Indomitab... RemoveThis @netzero.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 3:24 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/2/213632.shtml
>
> > > A newstudyshows thatautismmay be linked after all
> > > to the use of mercury in childhood vaccines, despite
> > > government's previous claims to the contrary.
>
> > > An article in the March 10, 2006, issue of the Journal
> > > of American Physicians and Surgeons shows that since
> > > mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the
> > > alarming increase in reported rates ofautismand
> > > other neurological disorders (NDs) in children not
> > > only stopped, but actually dropped sharply - by as
> > > much as 35 percent.
>
> > > Using the government's own databases, independent
> > > researchers analyzed reports of childhood NDs,
> > > includingautism, before and after removal of
> > > mercury-based preservatives. Authors David A. Geier,
> > > B.A. and Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D. analyze data from
> > > the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
> > > (VAERS) and the California Department of Developmental
> > > Services (CDDS) in "Early Downward Trends in
> > > Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal of
> > > Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines."
>
> > > The numbers from California show that reportedautism
> > > rates hit a high of 800 in May 2003. If that trend had
> > > continued, the reports would have skyrocketed to more
> > > than 1000 by the beginning of 2006. But in fact, the
> > > Geiers report that the number actually went down to
> > > only 620, a real decrease of 22 percent, and a
> > > decrease from the projections of 35 percent.
>
> > > This analysis directly contradicts 2004
> > > recommendations of the Institute of Medicine which
> > > examined vaccine safety data from the National
> > > Immunization Program (NIP) of the CDC. While not
> > > willing to either rule out or to corroborate a
> > > relationship between mercury andautism, the IOM
> > > soft-pedaled its findings, and decided no more studies
> > > were needed. The authors write: "The IOM stated that
> > > the evidence favored rejection of a causal
> > > relationship between thimerosal andautism, that such
> > > a relationship was not biologically plausible, and
> > > that no further studies should be conducted to
> > > evaluate it."
>
> > > As more and more vaccines were added to the mandatory
> > > schedule of vaccines for children, the dose of the
> > > mercury-based preservative thimerosal rose, so that
> > > the cumulative dose injected into babies exceeded the
> > > toxic threshold set by many government agencies.
> > > Mercury is known to damage nerve cells in very low
> > > concentrations.
>
> > > The concern about vaccines may actually be underrated,
> > > as it is generally acknowledged that the voluntary
> > > reporting of such disorders has resulted in vast
> > > underreporting of new cases. For example, the Iowa
> > > state legislature banned thimerosal from all vaccines
> > > administered there after it documented a 700-fold
> > > increase in that state alone. California followed
> > > suit, and 32 states are considering doing so.
>
> > > Up until about 1989 preschool children got only 3
> > > vaccines (polio, DPT, MMR). By 1999 the CDC
> > > recommended a total of 22 vaccines to be given before
> > > children reach the 1st grade, including Hepatitis B,
> > > which is given to newborns within the first 24 hours
> > > of birth. Many of these vaccines contained mercury. In
> > > the 1990s approximately 40 million children were
> > > injected with mercury-containing vaccines.
>
> > > The cumulative amount of mercury being given to
> > > children in this number of vaccines would be an amount
> > > 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.
>
> > > The Geiers conclude that mercury continues to be a
> > > concern, as it is still added to some of the most
> > > commonly-used vaccines, such as those for flu.
>
> > > Despite its removal from many childhood vaccines, thimerosal is still
> > > routinely added to some formulations of influenza vaccine administered
> > > to
> > > U.S. infants, as well as to several other vaccines (e.g.
> > > tetanus-diphtheria
> > > and monovalent tetanus) administered to older children and adults. In
> > > 2004,
> > > the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences
> > > (NAS) retreated from the stated 1999 goal of the AAP and the PHS to
> > > remove
> > > thimerosal from U.S. vaccines as soon as possible.As a result, assessing
> > > the
> > > safety of TCVs [thimerosal-containing vaccines] is a matter of
> > > significant
> > > importance."
> > > Editor's Note: The newstudyconfirms claims made by Dr. Russell Blaylock
> > > in
> > > the Blaylock Wellness Report that childhood vaccines that contain
> > > thimerosal, a mercury based preservative, could cause serious harm to
> > > children, includingautism. Dr. Blaylock has also warned that vaccines
> > > for
> > > adults, such as the flu shot, pose dangers.
>
> > Thanks so much for reminding americans that the parasitic pathocrats
> > at the US Justice Department have done nothing to hold the lying,
> > theiving, debilitating murdering members of the US health care
> > industry accountable for the heinous crimes against defenseless
> > babies.
>
> Reallly?
>
> Vaccines save thousands of lives a day! Without vaccines we would
> still have polio and smallpox in the US. In addition, there are no
> more cases of measles originating in the US, Hib meningitis incidence
> is way down, rubella-related birth defects are close to zero, and
> other diseases have been pretty much eliminated from the US. The same
> thing is happening outside the US.
>
> You should also note the Grier study that  Jan was talking about was a
> low-quality study with questionable methods. The conclusion that the
> incidence of autism fell after the elimination of ethylmercury from
> vaccines has been shown to be false. So Jan talked about a study that
> has been discredited.
>
> She does, however, show that to win her argument, one has to use poor-
> quality, discredited studies and make numerous personal attacks. And
> still, she has shown nothing.
>
> Have a lovely day.
>
> JEff
>
> *nIce personal attack*.

I discussing your argument, not you. So that is not a personal attack.
There is a big difference between attacking one's argument (which, as
I pointed out in your case is very weak) and a personal attack.

Jeff