Gret News-New vaccine reduces shots

On Jun 27, 6:37 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 11:04 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > "Myrl" <wisgroup_lea....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those
> > > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get
> > > the illnesses that the vaccines are supposed to
> > > be protecting us all against?
>
> > > For example, measles.
>
> > > What per cent of the non-vaccinated children
> > > get it and of that SMALL percentage, how
> > > many need to be hospitalized?
>
> > > CitizenJimserac
>
> > Try these facts on for size.  They are from a more detailed article
> > at:
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> >http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm
>
> > CDC - gov
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> > *Organized medicine*.
>
> > Poor Myrl Jeffcoat.
> > Mostly likely to be followed by another troll meter.
>
> Now THAT link from CDC IS interesting because it states:
> Once ubiquitous, measles now is uncommon in the United States. In the
> prevaccine era, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred every year,
> resulting in approximately 450 deaths, 28,000 hospitalizations, and
> 1,000 children with chronic disabilities from measles encephalitis.
> Because of successful implementation of measles vaccination programs,
> fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United
> States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases (2,3),
> reflecting the incidence of measles globally and travel patterns of
> U.S. residents and visitors. During 2006--2007, importations were most
> common from India, Japan, and countries in Europe, where measles
> transmission remains endemic and large outbreaks have occurred in
> recent years (CDC, unpublished data, 2008). Since November 2006,
> Switzerland has experienced that country's largest measles outbreak
> since introduction of mandatory notification for measles in 1999 (1).
>
> One has to wonder, if measles is endemic in Japan and India and a
> large outbreak
> has occured in Switzerland, are those countries not doing the vaccines
> OR are they  using the vaccines and they are not working?
>
> Did the measles vaccine EVER work?
>
> That is the question.

Clearly, from the quote you posted, the measles vaccine worked quite
well in the USA.

As for Japan, India and Switzerland, please do your own homework. Even
a casual perusal of some of the articles that a simple Google search
will find shows that even Switzerland does not have a very high degree
of uptake of the measles vaccine. High uptake supports herd immunity,
and those three countries do not have it.

On Jun 27, 8:50 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 6:37 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Jun 26, 11:04 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > "Myrl" <wisgroup_lea... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those
> > > > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get
> > > > the illnesses that the vaccines are supposed to
> > > > be protecting us all against?
>
> > > > For example, measles.
>
> > > > What per cent of the non-vaccinated children
> > > > get it and of that SMALL percentage, how
> > > > many need to be hospitalized?
>
> > > > CitizenJimserac
>
> > > Try these facts on for size.  They are from a more detailed article
> > > at:
>
> > >http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm
>
> > > CDC - gov
>
> > > *Organized medicine*.
>
> > > Poor Myrl Jeffcoat.
> > > Mostly likely to be followed by another troll meter.
>
> > Now THAT link from CDC IS interesting because it states:
> > Once ubiquitous, measles now is uncommon in the United States. In the
> > prevaccine era, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred every year,
> > resulting in approximately 450 deaths, 28,000 hospitalizations, and
> > 1,000 children with chronic disabilities from measles encephalitis.
> > Because of successful implementation of measles vaccination programs,
> > fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United
> > States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases (2,3),
> > reflecting the incidence of measles globally and travel patterns of
> > U.S. residents and visitors. During 2006--2007, importations were most
> > common from India, Japan, and countries in Europe, where measles
> > transmission remains endemic and large outbreaks have occurred in
> > recent years (CDC, unpublished data, 2008). Since November 2006,
> > Switzerland has experienced that country's largest measles outbreak
> > since introduction of mandatory notification for measles in 1999 (1).
>
> > One has to wonder, if measles is endemic in Japan and India and a
> > large outbreak
> > has occured in Switzerland, are those countries not doing the vaccines
> > OR are they  using the vaccines and they are not working?
>
> > Did the measles vaccine EVER work?
>
> > That is the question.
>
> Clearly, from the quote you posted, the measles vaccine worked quite
> well in the USA.
>
> As for Japan, India and Switzerland, please do your own homework. Even
> a casual perusal of some of the articles that a simple Google search
> will find shows that even Switzerland does not have a very high degree
> of uptake of the measles vaccine. High uptake supports herd immunity,
> and those three countries do not have it.

Thank you - you've actually posted a counter argument,
made some factual statements and did it WITHOUT
insulting me. Now THAT is refreshing!!

And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?

Hmmmm

Citizen Jimserac

On Jun 27, 9:47 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?


According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.

It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that
thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!

On Jun 27, 3:22 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 9:47 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
> According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
> outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
> It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
> protecting their children!  Would someone please tell the Swiss that
> thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!


Sorry - I forgot to include the link to the article!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/04/24/eu...2008-fo

In message <3dba32e7-769b-41d2-b5ce-ca09d1401f2d DeleteThis @t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote:
> On Jun 27, 9:47 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
>> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
>> one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
>
> According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
> outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
> It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
> protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that
> thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!

That's not true. That's not even remotely true.
Thimerosal has not been removed from the MMR.

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Myrl <wisgroup_leader DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jun 27, 9:47 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
>> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
>> one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
>
>According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
>outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
>It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
>protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that
>thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!

There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search
will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite.

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In message <4b53e0fe-a237-4d92-8acc-6907e65767c5 DeleteThis @26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:

> On Jun 27, 8:03 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn... DeleteThis @ratbags.com> wrote:
>> Myrl <wisgroup_lea... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
>> >> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
>> >> one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>>
>> >According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
>> >outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>>
>> >It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
>> >protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that
>> >thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!
>>
>> There never was any thimerosal in MMR, although a quick Google search
>> will turn up several anti-vaccination liars saying the opposite.
>>
>
> YOU THINK D.C. SESSIONS is an anti-vaccination liar??

Yup, folks, CJ has gone completely off his rails.

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| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
| unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct |
| before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson |
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On Jun 27, 12:47 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 8:50 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Jun 27, 6:37 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 26, 11:04 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Myrl" <wisgroup_lea....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jun 25, 9:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Do you have any idea WHAT PERCENT of those
> > > > > that DO NOT take the vaccines, actually get
> > > > > the illnesses that the vaccines are supposed to
> > > > > be protecting us all against?
>
> > > > > For example, measles.
>
> > > > > What per cent of the non-vaccinated children
> > > > > get it and of that SMALL percentage, how
> > > > > many need to be hospitalized?
>
> > > > > CitizenJimserac
>
> > > > Try these facts on for size.  They are from a more detailed article
> > > > at:
>
> > > >http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm
>
> > > > CDC - gov
>
> > > > *Organized medicine*.
>
> > > > Poor Myrl Jeffcoat.
> > > > Mostly likely to be followed by another troll meter.
>
> > > Now THAT link from CDC IS interesting because it states:
> > > Once ubiquitous, measles now is uncommon in the United States. In the
> > > prevaccine era, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred every year,
> > > resulting in approximately 450 deaths, 28,000 hospitalizations, and
> > > 1,000 children with chronic disabilities from measles encephalitis.
> > > Because of successful implementation of measles vaccination programs,
> > > fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United
> > > States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases (2,3),
> > > reflecting the incidence of measles globally and travel patterns of
> > > U.S. residents and visitors. During 2006--2007, importations were most
> > > common from India, Japan, and countries in Europe, where measles
> > > transmission remains endemic and large outbreaks have occurred in
> > > recent years (CDC, unpublished data, 2008). Since November 2006,
> > > Switzerland has experienced that country's largest measles outbreak
> > > since introduction of mandatory notification for measles in 1999 (1).
>
> > > One has to wonder, if measles is endemic in Japan and India and a
> > > large outbreak
> > > has occured in Switzerland, are those countries not doing the vaccines
> > > OR are they  using the vaccines and they are not working?
>
> > > Did the measles vaccine EVER work?
>
> > > That is the question.
>
> > Clearly, from the quote you posted, the measles vaccine worked quite
> > well in the USA.
>
> > As for Japan, India and Switzerland, please do your own homework. Even
> > a casual perusal of some of the articles that a simple Google search
> > will find shows that even Switzerland does not have a very high degree
> > of uptake of the measles vaccine. High uptake supports herd immunity,
> > and those three countries do not have it.
>
> Thank you - you've actually posted a counter argument,
> made some factual statements and did it WITHOUT
> insulting me.  Now THAT is refreshing!!
>
> And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?

Do your homework. They do have sufficient vaccination programs. Uptake
of the available vaccines is not as high it is in the USA, where
measles is no longer a problem.

BTW, comparing the US, Japan and Switzerland in this manner PROVES the
effectiveness of the vaccine, which totally, and irrefutably
contradicts you claim.

You made it easy, once again. Chuckle.

On Jun 27, 6:22 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 9:47 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
> According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
> outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
> It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
> protecting their children!  Would someone please tell the Swiss that
> thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!

Thimerosal has never, ever been in the MMR.

On Jun 28, 11:26 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 6:22 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> > > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> > > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
> > According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
> > outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
> > It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
> > protecting their children! Would someone please tell the Swiss that
> > thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!
>
> Thimerosal has never, ever been in the MMR.

Ah, JOKE from D.C. - hilarious
EXCEPT that what I read says the following
from:
http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

"Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all
vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and
younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see
Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza
vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited
supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women.
Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (™ 7
years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that
are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with
trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per
dose."

Now hilarious jokesters Peter and DC can
read the part that says OR REDUCED TO TRACE
AMOUNTS and maybe explain how that is
that same as "never was any".

Now Mark here says THERE NEVER WAS ANY thiMESSersol
in them.

Now we are back to the homeopathy situation - IF I can't get
a straight answer on a simple question like
is there or is there not thiMESSersol in the vaccines
with one group telling me one thing and another group
telling me something else, how can anybody find out ANYTHING?

Is it any wonder people are refusing to let their
children be vaccinated.

Which is it? NEVER WAS or "REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS"??

Citizen Jimserac

On Jun 28, 4:59 pm, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 11:26 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Jun 27, 6:22 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 27, 9:47 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > And now for the rejoinder -> WHY... one wonders,
> > > > would a wealthy country like Switzerland, or an ever wealthier
> > > > one like Japan, NOT have sufficient vaccine programs?
>
> > > According to this article published in the UK, it blames the Swiss
> > > outbreak on the fact that 15% of the children aren't vaccinated.
>
> > > It goes on to suggest that fears over the MMR jab kept parents from
> > > protecting their children!  Would someone please tell the Swiss that
> > > thimerosol has been removed from these vaccines since 2001!
>
> > Thimerosal has never, ever been in the MMR.
>
> Ah, JOKE from D.C. - hilarious
> EXCEPT that what I read says the following
> from:http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
>
> "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all
> vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and
> younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see
> Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza
> vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited
> supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women.
> Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (™ 7
> years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that
> are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with
> trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per
> dose."
>
> Now hilarious jokesters Peter and DC can
> read the part that says OR REDUCED TO TRACE
> AMOUNTS and maybe explain how that is
> that same as "never was any".
>
> Now Mark here says THERE NEVER WAS ANY thiMESSersol
> in them.

No, S T O O P I D, I di dnot say that. You should spend the summer
attending a reading comprehension program. I said that the MMR never
had thimerosal in it. That is an irrefutable fact.


> Now we are back to the homeopathy situation - IF I can't get
> a straight answer on a simple question like
> is there or is there not thiMESSersol in the vaccines
> with one group telling me one thing and another group
> telling me something else, how can anybody find out ANYTHING?

Listen, dumbass, you cannottreat allvaccines as just one thing. They
are all DIFFERENT, and one size does not fit all.

> Is it any wonder people are refusing to let their
> children be vaccinated.
>
> Which is it? NEVER WAS or "REDUCED TO TRACE AMOUNTS"??

BOTH, homeopathetic brain.

In message <eec27b3c-bbb3-456d-a72f-019a10191f16 RemoveThis @s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote:

> No, S T O O P I D, I di dnot say that. You should spend the summer
> attending a reading comprehension program. I said that the MMR never
> had thimerosal in it. That is an irrefutable fact.

Of course it's refutable. Do keep up with the program,
Mark -- we have people on the group denying that disease
is communicable (Chuckles and CJ, for instance) and others
who insist that the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics
are part of a vast shadowy disinformation campaign
(Scudamore and Carole, to name two.)

There's *nothing* that is "irrefutable" on MHA.

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| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
| unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct |
| before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson |
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