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Ilena Rose

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:09 pm
Post subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
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Jeffrey P Utz ... I have seen several of you vaccination shills try to
claim that Tamiflu is not a drug nor a vaccine. Some of these
disinformation statements are below.

However in reading the definitions of "drugs" and "vaccine" ...
Tamiflu certainly fits into both overlapping defintions.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter Bowditch

"As Tamiflu is not a vaccine, there is no need to read this garbage
any further."
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

From: Myrl Jeffcoat
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and
Bizarre Deaths

It's a tad frightening that someone who is unable to discern the
difference between a vaccine and a drug attempts to write with such
authority. It certainly makes one wonder about the credentials of the
author of the article doesn't it!

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drug
1. Pharmacology. a chemical substance used in the treatment,
cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance
physical or mental well-being.
2. (in federal law)
a. any substance recognized in the official pharmacopoeia or
formulary of the nation.
b. any substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure,
mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in humans or other
animals.
c. any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure
or any function of the body of humans or other animals.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaccine
1. any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer
immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous
form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses,
to stimulate antibody production.
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Jeff

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Aug 15, 8:09 pm, Ilena Rose <B....RemoveThis@mundo.com> wrote:
> Jeffrey P Utz ... I have seen several of you vaccination shills

I am not a shill for anyone. I speak only for myself. I get no
compensation from any drug company.

> try to
> claim that Tamiflu is not a drug nor a vaccine. Some of these
> disinformation statements are below.
>
> However in reading the definitions of "drugs" and "vaccine" ...
> Tamiflu certainly fits into both overlapping defintions.

<...>

> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaccine
> 1.      any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer
> immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous
> form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses,
> to stimulate antibody production.

This shows your ignorance of biology, medicine, vaccines and
immunology.

A key part of the definition of vaccine that *you* cited is that it
employs an innocuous form of the disease agent, in this case the
influenza virus. Oseltamivir phosphate is the generic name of Tamiflu.
It doesn't contain any influenza virus particles at all. It doesn't
stimulate anitbody production, either, as *your* definition of vaccine
includes.

So, no, Tamiflu is not a vaccine. It doesn't stimulate antibody
production nor is it an innocuous form of the disease agent.

Again, I suggest you get a clue, if you can.

Jeff
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Jan Drew

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Ilena Rose" <BIA DeleteThis @mundo.com> wrote in message
news:cq1ca4tdihe547cd48bcashhio19afn9u5@4ax.com...
> The Vaccination Industry has had a long, successful and extremely
> profitable run vaccinating seniors with NO evidence of any benefit to
> anyone but themselves. On the internet, the Snake-oil Vigilantes (aka
> Health Frauds) spread vast amounts of industry propaganda.
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
>
> Here's an earlier article on this topic.
>
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> Health Lover
>
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/83454.php
>
> The mortality benefits of giving elderly people the flu vaccine have
> been vastly overstated, according to a Review published in The Lancet
> Infectious Diseases, October edition. Vaccinating people over 65
> against influenza in developed countries is aimed at reducing the flu
> mortality burden.
>
> Dr Lone Simonsen, George Washington University, Washington, DC, USA
> and team say that vaccinating not-so-frail elderly people more
> frequently than their frail peers, plus the use of non-specific
> endpoints, such as all-cause mortality, are the reasons for this
> exaggeration.
>
> "The remaining evidence base is currently insufficient to indicate the
> magnitude of the mortality benefit, if any, that elderly people derive
> from the vaccination program," say the authors.
>
> Although placebo-controlled randomized trials have demonstrated that
> the flu vaccine is effective in younger adults, a small number of
> trials never included the elderly, especially those aged over 70.
> About 75% of influenza related deaths occur among people aged 70 and
> over, point out the authors.
>
> These trials suggest that clinical gains and antibody responses in the
> elderly fall with age after the age of 70.
>
> Even though vaccination coverage rose from 15% in 1980 to 65% today,
> there has been no confirmation of any influenza-related mortality
> improvement since 1980, say the authors. "Paradoxically, whereas those
> studies attribute about 5% of all winter deaths to influenza, many
> cohort studies report a 50% reduction in the total risk of death in
> winter - a benefit ten times greater than the estimated influenza
> mortality burden."
>
> The authors say that any future trial should use more precise
> endpoints, for example, vaccine effectiveness against the highly
> specific outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza virus. Even though
> such a trial would be more expensive and labor intensive, the vaccine
> efficacy estimates are more likely to be reliable. Rather than use the
> current arbitrary 4-month period, any future trial should also
> identify the epidemic period for each season through utilization of
> actual virus surveillance data.
>
> The writers caution "While awaiting an improved evidence base for
> influenza vaccine mortality benefits in elderly people, we suggest
> that this group should continue to be vaccinated against influenza.
> Influenza causes many deaths each year, and even a partly effective
> vaccine would be better than no vaccine at all. But the evidence base
> concerning influenza vaccine benefits in elderly people does need to
> be strengthened."
>
> "If current evidence points to substantial uncertainty, then what
> next? Simonsen and colleagues suggest that 'refocusing on the likely
> complications of immune senescence would require vigorous pursuit of
> other options'. They also confront the ultimate taboo that drew so
> much scorn in the evidence overview: doing randomized trials in
> elderly people to settle the issue conclusively. That suggestion,
> which seems to fly in the face of current policies, is in our opinion
> the only ethical and scientific way to have definitive answer to the
> question of whether or not current influenza vaccines protect elderly
> people," Dr Tom Jefferson and Dr Carlo Di Pietrantonj, Cochrane
> Vaccines Field, Alessandria, Italy, write in an accompanying Comment.
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