Homeopathy for Autism

"Richard Schultz" <schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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>
> : I can assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I.
>
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> : I can assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I.
>
> You should provide some kind of notice at the *beginning* of posts such
> as this one that anyone planning to read it should finish drinking his or
> her beverage beforehand -- or at least to have a supply of paper towels
> ready.
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> There's something I must tell you, there's something I must say:
> The only really perfect love is one that gets away.

"Richard Schultz" <schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:

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> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 6:21 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn....DeleteThis@ratbags.com> wrote:
> CitizenJimserac<Jimse....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 11, 8:24 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn....DeleteThis@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> CitizenJimserac<Jimse....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Aug 10, 9:34 am, "JOHN" <j....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>http://homeopathy4autism.com/
>
> >> >Our thanks for this timely and interesting link.
>
> >> >The two articles are filled not only with the theory
> >> >of Homeopathic treatment for Autism but also
>
> >> I started to read the case of Alex but I had to stop because it was
> >> absolute drivel. Like the postmodernist writings polluting the
> >> humanities, it contained an enormous number of meaningless words
> >> embedded in a vacuous context.
>
> >> It should be a criminal offence to lie to and deceive the parents of
> >> autistic children in this fashion.
>
> >> The only good point is that because homeopathy does nothing it can't
> >> cause the harm that chelation can. The advantage for the practitioner
> >> is, of course, that homeopathic "medications" cost less than the
> >> chelation chemicals, consisting as they do of nothing but water and
> >> small sugar pills.
>
> >> >interesting case studies and mention of several
> >> >of the remedies involved and the timing with which
> >> >they are used.
>
> >> >We look forward to the third article in the series.
>
> >> >Again thanks for a most interesting post!
>
> >> >CitizenJimserac
>
> >> --
>
> >May I suggest you get and read a copy
> >of "IMPOSSIBLE CURE",
> >http://www.impossiblecure.com/autism.html
> >which is a book by a woman who was a professional
> >computer scientist whose son had autism.
>
> >After trying a number of failed treatments
> >she found a Homeopathist who dramatically
> >improved her child's condition.
>
> >The book details her experiences, tells
> >a good deal about Homeopathy and explains
> >why she herself changed careers and now
> >practices Homeopathy.
>
> I don't know whether to be pleased that someone in my line of work has
> gone mad and left the business thus reducing competition, sad that
> someone who might have been bright at one time has suffered brain
> decay, or annoyed that someone would choose charlatanry over real
> work.
>
>
Peter, I was a professional computer programmer and software
engineer for 32 years. I've worked on robotics programming, data
communications and on military submarine related software. I can
assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I. I WOULD HAVE
been the first
to reject Homeopathy on purely logical grounds, and in fact
did when I first heard of it. It was only the unreasoning attacks
against it that impelled me to look at the pro Homeopathy side of the
argument and then make the discovery that there was solid science, and
overwhelming clinical evidence in its favor.


I can also assure you that it is not charlatanism
and I have made numerous citations of genuine scientists reporting on
their research, EVEN when that research leads them
to unexpected... and currently unexplainable results.

Again, the book "Impossible Cure" is suggested for you.
After reading that, you are welcome to continue your
skepticism, but will at least have some idea of what
Homeopathy is all about and why people turn to it,
often with startlingly successful results.

There are numerous Homeoapathic doctors getting
good results in treating autistic children and children with
Asberger's syndrome. Word of this has, of course, gotten
to concerned parents whose children have these disorders.

Citizen Jimserac

>

"Mark Probert" <mark.probert.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 6:23 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter, I was a professional computer programmer and software
> engineer for 32 years. I've worked on robotics programming, data
> communications and on military submarine related software.

That explains it! Finally an answer to that agoe old question of why a
US Submarine can surface with uncanny accuracy under the only Japanese
Trawler in the entire pacific Ocean.

Whatever *agoe* is.

Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 13, 6:21 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn....RemoveThis@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> CitizenJimserac<Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 11, 8:24 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn....RemoveThis@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> >> CitizenJimserac<Jimse....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Aug 10, 9:34 am, "JOHN" <j....RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>http://homeopathy4autism.com/
>>
>> >> >Our thanks for this timely and interesting link.
>>
>> >> >The two articles are filled not only with the theory
>> >> >of Homeopathic treatment for Autism but also
>>
>> >> I started to read the case of Alex but I had to stop because it was
>> >> absolute drivel. Like the postmodernist writings polluting the
>> >> humanities, it contained an enormous number of meaningless words
>> >> embedded in a vacuous context.
>>
>> >> It should be a criminal offence to lie to and deceive the parents of
>> >> autistic children in this fashion.
>>
>> >> The only good point is that because homeopathy does nothing it can't
>> >> cause the harm that chelation can. The advantage for the practitioner
>> >> is, of course, that homeopathic "medications" cost less than the
>> >> chelation chemicals, consisting as they do of nothing but water and
>> >> small sugar pills.
>>
>> >> >interesting case studies and mention of several
>> >> >of the remedies involved and the timing with which
>> >> >they are used.
>>
>> >> >We look forward to the third article in the series.
>>
>> >> >Again thanks for a most interesting post!
>>
>> >> >CitizenJimserac
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >May I suggest you get and read a copy
>> >of "IMPOSSIBLE CURE",
>> >http://www.impossiblecure.com/autism.html
>> >which is a book by a woman who was a professional
>> >computer scientist whose son had autism.
>>
>> >After trying a number of failed treatments
>> >she found a Homeopathist who dramatically
>> >improved her child's condition.
>>
>> >The book details her experiences, tells
>> >a good deal about Homeopathy and explains
>> >why she herself changed careers and now
>> >practices Homeopathy.
>>
>> I don't know whether to be pleased that someone in my line of work has
>> gone mad and left the business thus reducing competition, sad that
>> someone who might have been bright at one time has suffered brain
>> decay, or annoyed that someone would choose charlatanry over real
>> work.
>>
>>
>Peter, I was a professional computer programmer and software
>engineer for 32 years. I've worked on robotics programming, data
>communications and on military submarine related software. I can
>assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I. I WOULD HAVE
>been the first
>to reject Homeopathy on purely logical grounds, and in fact
>did when I first heard of it. It was only the unreasoning attacks
>against it that impelled me to look at the pro Homeopathy side of the
>argument and then make the discovery that there was solid science, and
>overwhelming clinical evidence in its favor.

So you started to believe it because people said that it was bullshit?
Do you believe in astrology?

>
>
>I can also assure you that it is not charlatanism
>and I have made numerous citations of genuine scientists reporting on
>their research, EVEN when that research leads them
>to unexpected... and currently unexplainable results.

As far as I can tell you have offered us one scientist who became a
believer (Ennis) on the basis of a single experiment, plus some
decayed minds like Rustrum Roy who might have been scientists once but
who had forgotten what science meant.


>
>Again, the book "Impossible Cure" is suggested for you.
>After reading that, you are welcome to continue your
>skepticism, but will at least have some idea of what
>Homeopathy is all about and why people turn to it,
>often with startlingly successful results.

I know what homeopathy is all about, and I am quite aware of why
people think that it works for them. Astrology works too.

>
>There are numerous Homeoapathic doctors getting
>good results in treating autistic children and children with
>Asberger's syndrome. Word of this has, of course, gotten
>to concerned parents whose children have these disorders.

And as someone who is very close to a person with Asperger's, I can
assure you that sensible parents are appalled at the level of deceit
coming from those with "cures". And this includes the chelationists,
who are about as far from homeopaths as you can get.

>
>Citizen Jimserac

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

See how fast the *gang* diverts.

schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>: I can assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I.
>
>You should provide some kind of notice at the *beginning* of posts such
>as this one that anyone planning to read it should finish drinking his or
>her beverage beforehand -- or at least to have a supply of paper towels ready.

One advantage I have found for the cordless keyboard and mouse that I
am using now is that they can be swept off the desk before the
PPPPPFFFFFTTTT!!!!! reflex peaks. The fall does less damage than the
tea (or even the Red Bull, depending on how late a night is planned).


--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname DeleteThis @ratbags.com> wrote:

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> schultr DeleteThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>

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>>In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 6:21 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn... DeleteThis @ratbags.com> wrote:
> CitizenJimserac<Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 11, 8:24 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn... DeleteThis @ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> CitizenJimserac<Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Aug 10, 9:34 am, "JOHN" <j... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>http://homeopathy4autism.com/
>
> >> >Our thanks for this timely and interesting link.
>
> >> >The two articles are filled not only with the theory
> >> >of Homeopathic treatment for Autism but also
>
> >> I started to read the case of Alex but I had to stop because it was
> >> absolute drivel. Like the postmodernist writings polluting the
> >> humanities, it contained an enormous number of meaningless words
> >> embedded in a vacuous context.
>
> >> It should be a criminal offence to lie to and deceive the parents of
> >> autistic children in this fashion.
>
> >> The only good point is that because homeopathy does nothing it can't
> >> cause the harm that chelation can. The advantage for the practitioner
> >> is, of course, that homeopathic "medications" cost less than the
> >> chelation chemicals, consisting as they do of nothing but water and
> >> small sugar pills.
>
> >> >interesting case studies and mention of several
> >> >of the remedies involved and the timing with which
> >> >they are used.
>
> >> >We look forward to the third article in the series.
>
> >> >Again thanks for a most interesting post!
>
> >> >CitizenJimserac
>
> >> --
>
> >May I suggest you get and read a copy
> >of "IMPOSSIBLE CURE",
> >http://www.impossiblecure.com/autism.html
> >which is a book by a woman who was a professional
> >computer scientist whose son had autism.
>
> >After trying a number of failed treatments
> >she found a Homeopathist who dramatically
> >improved her child's condition.
>
> >The book details her experiences, tells
> >a good deal about Homeopathy and explains
> >why she herself changed careers and now
> >practices Homeopathy.
>
> I don't know whether to be pleased that someone in my line of work has
> gone mad and left the business thus reducing competition, sad that
> someone who might have been bright at one time has suffered brain
> decay, or annoyed that someone would choose charlatanry over real
> work.
>
>
Peter, I was a professional computer programmer and software
engineer for 32 years. I've worked on robotics programming, data
communications and on military submarine related software. I can
assure you nobody was more logical and skeptical than I. I WOULD HAVE
been the first
to reject Homeopathy on purely logical grounds, and in fact
did when I first heard of it. It was only the unreasoning attacks
against it that impelled me to look at the pro Homeopathy side of the
argument and then make the discovery that there was solid science, and
overwhelming clinical evidence in its favor.


I can also assure you that it is not charlatanism
and I have made numerous citations of genuine scientists reporting on
their research, EVEN when that research leads them
to unexpected... and currently unexplainable results.

Again, the book "Impossible Cure" is suggested for you.
After reading that, you are welcome to continue your
skepticism, but will at least have some idea of what
Homeopathy is all about and why people turn to it,
often with startlingly successful results.

There are numerous Homeoapathic doctors getting
good results in treating autistic children and children with
Asberger's syndrome. Word of this has, of course, gotten
to concerned parents whose children have these disorders.

Citizen Jimserac

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374 RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>See how fast the *gang* diverts.
>

To whom were you responding, Jan?

I made a specific comment about homeopathy and autism. How can that be
a diversion?

Just in case you missed what I said - homeopathy is just as useful as
a treatment for autism as it is for any other condition, and in fact
may be even twice as useful.


--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

In message <cd38bfaf-e51f-4e11-8a5f-35376236436c.RemoveThis@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote:

> I have no opinion of chelation therapy nor did I speak
> in favor of it anywhere!

But there are *lots* of people who swear by it, and their
reasons are exactly the ones that you give for homeopathy.

So why are you so UNREASONINLY refusing to accept that
they are right?

--
| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
+- D. C. Sessions <dcs.RemoveThis@lumbercartel.com> -+

http://www.whale.to/a/homeopathy.html

also read Elmiger book, he/she is an MD homeopath
http://www.whale.to/v/elmiger2.html

"BCG is a goldmine for ear, nose and throat specialists."--Dr Jean Elmiger
MD

"Every time you hear of the tragic death of an infant, carried off in the
first weeks of life by 'viral meningitis', you have the right to suspect
that BCG is at work, even if the autopsy confirms a viral diagnosis. My wife
lived through this tragedy in a major Swiss hospital where she worked. The
autopsy of the child revealed the tubercular nature of the 'viral'
meningitis following a BCG inoculation, but all the assistants and nurses
had received very clear instructions to say nothing or risk terrible
consequences. As with all secret societies, the law of silence is absolute
among doctors!"--Dr Jean Elmigar (Rediscovering Real Medicine) ISBN
1862041997)

"The launching of the BCG vaccine was a model of economic gangsterism, a
gigantic dishonest commercial operation. Nothing is missing from the
scenario: an eccentric inventor, falsified laboratory experiments, a
pseudo-scientific varnish, garbled statistics, shameless publicity, the
purchased support of powerful magnates, and, the final masterly touch, a
'free' product financed by the taxpayer! For the French public,
unfortunately used to scandals, none of this is very uncommon. But what
really sets the BCG story apart is the heights of machiavellism that it
reaches. For Chavanon reveals that the 20 or so families that hold hostage
the nation's health -i.e. its teaching, its laboratories, its temples... and
its commerce- succeeded in 1949 in having the French government hurriedly
vote to make the BCG vaccination compulsory. Since that black year not one
French person has escaped this fatal toxin.."---Dr Jean Elmigar
(Rediscovering Real Medicine)

On Aug 20, 3:23 am, "JOHN" <j....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> http://www.whale.to/a/homeopathy.html
>
> also read Elmiger book, he/she is an MD homeopath
>  http://www.whale.to/v/elmiger2.html
>
> "BCG is a goldmine for ear, nose and throat specialists."--Dr Jean Elmiger
> MD
>
> "Every time you hear of the tragic death of an infant, carried off in the
> first weeks of life by 'viral meningitis', you have the right to suspect
> that BCG is at work, even if the autopsy confirms a viral diagnosis. My wife
> lived through this tragedy in a major Swiss hospital where she worked. The
> autopsy of the child revealed the tubercular nature of the 'viral'
> meningitis following a BCG inoculation, but all the assistants and nurses
> had received very clear instructions to say nothing or risk terrible
> consequences. As with all secret societies, the law of silence is absolute
> among doctors!"--Dr Jean Elmigar (Rediscovering Real Medicine) ISBN
> 1862041997)
>
> "The launching of the BCG vaccine was a model of economic gangsterism, a
> gigantic dishonest commercial operation. Nothing is missing from the
> scenario: an eccentric inventor, falsified laboratory experiments, a
> pseudo-scientific varnish, garbled statistics, shameless publicity, the
> purchased support of powerful magnates, and, the final masterly touch, a
> 'free' product financed by the taxpayer! For the French public,
> unfortunately used to scandals, none of this is very uncommon. But what
> really sets the BCG story apart is the heights of machiavellism that it
> reaches. For Chavanon reveals that the 20 or so families that hold hostage
> the nation's health -i.e. its teaching, its laboratories, its temples... and
> its commerce- succeeded in 1949 in having the French government hurriedly
> vote to make the BCG vaccination compulsory. Since that black year not one
> French person has escaped this fatal toxin.."---Dr Jean Elmigar
> (Rediscovering Real Medicine)

Wow! I shall read this book.

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac

On Aug 20, 7:50 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 3:23 am, "JOHN" <j... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.whale.to/a/homeopathy.html
>
> > also read Elmiger book, he/she is an MD homeopath
> >  http://www.whale.to/v/elmiger2.html
>
> > "BCG is a goldmine for ear, nose and throat specialists."--Dr Jean Elmiger
> > MD
>
> > "Every time you hear of the tragic death of an infant, carried off in the
> > first weeks of life by 'viral meningitis', you have the right to suspect
> > that BCG is at work, even if the autopsy confirms a viral diagnosis. My wife
> > lived through this tragedy in a major Swiss hospital where she worked. The
> > autopsy of the child revealed the tubercular nature of the 'viral'
> > meningitis following a BCG inoculation, but all the assistants and nurses
> > had received very clear instructions to say nothing or risk terrible
> > consequences. As with all secret societies, the law of silence is absolute
> > among doctors!"--Dr Jean Elmigar (Rediscovering Real Medicine) ISBN
> > 1862041997)
>
> > "The launching of the BCG vaccine was a model of economic gangsterism, a
> > gigantic dishonest commercial operation. Nothing is missing from the
> > scenario: an eccentric inventor, falsified laboratory experiments, a
> > pseudo-scientific varnish, garbled statistics, shameless publicity, the
> > purchased support of powerful magnates, and, the final masterly touch, a
> > 'free' product financed by the taxpayer! For the French public,
> > unfortunately used to scandals, none of this is very uncommon. But what
> > really sets the BCG story apart is the heights of machiavellism that it
> > reaches. For Chavanon reveals that the 20 or so families that hold hostage
> > the nation's health -i.e. its teaching, its laboratories, its temples.... and
> > its commerce- succeeded in 1949 in having the French government hurriedly
> > vote to make the BCG vaccination compulsory. Since that black year not one
> > French person has escaped this fatal toxin.."---Dr Jean Elmigar
> > (Rediscovering Real Medicine)
>
> Wow!   I shall read this book.

I see...so you are returning to the First Grade for some fundamental
learning? It is obvious that your first time around was a wasted
effort.